The Conciliator: The New Yorker profiles Obama

As we all know there has been a lot of hit diaries and flame wars lately. I think that this is unfortunate and distracts from the fact that we have a great slate of candidates to choose from. I came across this article about Barack Obama from the New Yorker which I think nicely explains why and how Obama is different from a candidate like John Edwards. I like Edwards and I can certainly understand why some people prefer his combative rhetoric to Obama's dispassionate talk about 'unity' and purpose. It seems that some people feel let down by Obama, because they thought that he would be something he has never been. Obama has not changed, he has been this way and talked this way all his life. At least that is what I think after reading this profile.

Some choice quotes (it's a very long article):

Despite the criticism he has received for being all inspiration and no policy, Obama has so far stuck to what appears to be an instinct that white papers belong on Web sites, not in speeches. It is surprising, given the recent electoral record of Democratic policy wonks, that he is not given more credit for the astuteness of this approach, but it's true that it's not just strategy--it's who he is. "He doesn't have the handicap that a lot of smart people have, which is that they come across as `You're not smart enough to talk to me,' " George Haywood, a private investor and a friend of Obama's, says. "Adlai Stevenson, another Illinois guy, had that--he came across as an egghead and it was off-putting to people. Barack is the opposite." Probably one of the reasons for this is that Obama seems not to attach much value to cleverness as such.

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Obama's detachment, his calm, in such small venues, is less professorial than medical--like that of a doctor who, by listening to a patient's story without emotional reaction, reassures the patient that the symptoms are familiar to him. It is also doctorly in the sense that Obama thinks about the body politic as a whole thing. If you are presenting a problem as something that they have perpetrated on us, then whipping up outrage is natural enough; but if you take unity seriously, as Obama does, then outrage does not make sense, any more than it would make sense for a doctor to express outrage that a patient's kidney is causing pain in his back. There is also, of course, a racial aspect to this. "If you're a black male, you don't have to try hard to impress people with your aggression," Haywood says.

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Obama's calm is also a matter of temperament. The first thing almost everybody who knows Obama says about him is how extremely comfortable he is with himself. "He was almost freakishly self-possessed and centered," Christopher Edley, Jr., one of Obama's professors at Harvard Law School, who is now a dean at Berkeley, says. There is something freakish about Obama's self-possession--it's conspicuous, it draws attention to itself, like the unnatural stillness of someone able to lower his blood pressure at will.

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Obama encourages his crossover appeal. He doesn't often criticize the Bush Administration directly; in New Hampshire recently, he told his audience, "I'm a Democrat. I'm considered a progressive Democrat. But if a Republican or a Conservative or a libertarian or a free-marketer has a better idea, I am happy to steal ideas from anybody and in that sense I'm agnostic." "The number of conservatives who've called me--roommates of mine, relatives who are Republicans--who've said, `He's the one Democrat I could support, not because he agrees with me, because he doesn't, but because I at least think he'll take my point of view into account,' " Michael Froman, a law-school friend who worked in the Clinton Administration and is now involved in Obama's campaign, says. "That's a big thing, mainstream Americans feeling like Northeast liberals look down on them."

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Obama is always disappointing people who feel that he gives too much respect or yields too much ground to the other side, rather than fighting aggressively for his principles. "In law school, we had a seminar together and Charles Fried, who is very conservative, was one of our speakers," Cassandra Butts says. "The issue of the Second Amendment came up and Fried is pretty much a Second Amendment absolutist. One of our classmates was in favor of gun control--he'd come from an urban environment where guns were a big issue. And, while Barack agreed with our classmate, he was much more willing to hear Fried out--he was very moved by the fact that Fried grew up in the Soviet bloc, where they didn't have those freedoms. After the class, our classmate was still challenging Fried and Barack was just not as passionate and I didn't understand that."

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In the state senate, this skill served him well--he was unusually dexterous with opponents, and passed bills that at first were judged too liberal to have a chance, such as one that mandated the videotaping of police interviews with suspects arrested for capital crimes. "In our seminar, whether we were arguing about labor or religion or politics, he would sit back like a resource person and then he would say, I hear Jane saying such and such, and Tom seems to disagree on that, but then Tom and Jane both agree on this," Robert Putnam says. (For a couple of years, Obama participated in a seminar about rebuilding community, inspired by Putnam's article "Bowling Alone.") "I don't mean he makes all conflicts go away--that would be crazy. But his natural instinct is not dividing the baby in half--it's looking for areas of convergence".

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This is not Obama's style at all. He doesn't seem hungry. He seems to like people but not to need them. When most politicians speak to a crowd, they give the impression that that is what they live for; Obama at town-hall meetings appears engaged but not fervently so, as if there were several other things that he would be equally happy doing that day. He still has the speechmaking power that he displayed at the 2004 Convention, but for the most part he keeps it in reserve. Even at large rallies these days he doesn't try to overwhelm--his eyes don't flame, his hands remain unclenched and below his shoulders, he doesn't go for a sudden conversion experience.

There is real differences between Edwards and Obama, not so much on policy but on how they speak and how they think about the issues. Both are excellent persons, and candidates. We could have a civil debate about the merits of their differing approaches and attitudes once we acknowledge that. I urge everone to read this article - whether you love, like or hate Barack Obama. You will be rewarded with a better understanding of him.



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I forgot the link: (none / 0)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/ 05/07/070507fa_fact_macfarquhar?printabl e=true


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:12:39 PM EST

Good piece (3.00 / 3)

I think supporters of Obama and supporters of Edwards basically want the same thing, a dominant Democratic Party that is dominated by progresssives, which would lead to a better country. Something like that. And I assume that both candidates want the same thing. And I accept for the purpose of this comment that each is more or less in the same place on the political spectrum. What we're left with is a fundamental disagreement about strategy and style.  

Obama believes in consensus. He imputes positive motives to his opponents, smoothes out the hard edges on progressivism, respects opponents and expects respect in return, beleives that most of the people who have power want what's best for the country--you get the idea. As I hope you can tell, I think there's something to be said for this approach, especially if you're a Senator. But I don't believe that this is the approach to take if you want to fundamentally change the country. Certainly history doesn't think so. Lincoln, FDR, and Reagan embraced partisan politics. Transformative leaders love politics. They don't fear polarization. Politics isn't the problem; in fact, it's part of the solution. MLK loved politics. He understood, as I believe Obama doesn't (or pretends not to for political reasons) that power corrupts and that the powerful want above all else to hang on to their power and that they have to be forced, though a competing exercise of power, to surrender it. They won't sit down across from you at a table and agree to surrender it because it's in the best interests of the country.


by david mizner on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:46:44 PM EST
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Re: Good piece (3.00 / 1)

Agree pretty much.  This and other articles about him as a young man suggest to me that he was made to be a legislator, not an executive.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:51:05 PM EST
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Re: Good piece (none / 0)

I'm just glad your wrong on that regard.  :-)


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by yitbos96bb on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:17:25 PM EST
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I can see what you mean but (none / 0)

this statement of yours:

I believe Obama doesn't (or pretends not to for political reasons) that power corrupts and that the powerful want above all else to hang on to their power

is actually contradicted by this Obama quote in the article:

"What I do believe is that those with money, those with influence, those with control over how resources are allocated in our society, are very protective of their interests, and they can rationalize infinitely the reasons why they should have more money and power than anyone else, why that's somehow good for the society as a whole."


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:16:31 AM EST
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NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME (1.00 / 0)

Obama is a talented guy.  His first debate performance proved one thing, however:  he's not ready for the presidency.


by ChicagoDude on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:29:48 PM EST

Re: NOT VERY HELPFUL OR PERSUASIVE (2.50 / 2)

"His first debate performance proved one thing, however:  he's not ready for the presidency."

This is the kind of post that does nothing to advance the ball.  This does nothing to persuade or inform anyone. You make a big assertion that is really nothing more than an opinion.

Let's treat each other and the candidates with respect. Opinions are okay, but try to back them up with some kind of information or analysis.


by upper left on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:51:19 PM EST
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can't you tell what mr. dude is trying to do here (none / 0)


you know as barack said "break the flow". just look at his comment history. 90% snarks at ,uhm, obama. typical sourpussy: has nothing to say, like limbaugh, except to incite bad reactions.
by pmb on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:46:33 PM EST
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Very Ready for prime time (none / 0)


and that's what the debate proved: a thoughtful guy comfortable with his masculinity that he doesn't have to instinctively go for a punch.

clinton, not so much. and her iraq vote is proof enough.


by pmb on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:57:00 PM EST
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Dude, whatev (2.00 / 1)

I'd have hated to have had to watch Thomas Jefferson in a debate.  From what I've heard, the guy was not a good public speaker.  Regardless, he was probably the most accomplished and one of the best to have occupied the office.  But Barack didn't do badly in the debate.  He did fine.  Performance in debates, speeches, etc., do not expose how one will do in the office.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:10:31 PM EST
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chicagodude, you're toast (none / 0)


you're driving hrc negatives up here obviously.
by pmb on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:18:10 PM EST
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Not only that (1.00 / 1)

It showed that his ears are friggin huge.  They are as big as dinner plates.  He sort of has that Ross Perot thing going.


by dpANDREWS on Wed May 02, 2007 at 07:14:42 AM EST
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Re: Not only that (none / 0)

Shall we talk about haircuts or substantial issues? ;)

In any case Obama seems quite popular among women...  


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 07:26:38 AM EST
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Re: The Conciliator: The New Yorker profiles Obama (2.83 / 6)

I read the piece yesterday and thought that most of it fit well with what I have read elsewhere and with what I have heard from two of my  acquaintances who know the Senator (one from High School, and one from Harvard Law).  

The real question in my mind is whose approach to the campaign and governing would lead to better results for the progressive movement?  
Some of you may think this is a slam dunk one way or another. I do not. I feel very ambivalent.  

Part of me really likes the idea of the fighting populist taking on the corporations and the rich.  Another part of me says that someone like that cannot win; that a frontal assualt on the foundations of capitalist power simply will not be allowed to succeed. Even if Edwards could get the nomination, I fear his evolving positions and his trial lawyer background will be used to smear him.

Part of me says that someone like Obama who has strong progressive values and a real gift for finding common ground with centrists could be just the leader we need to build a working progressive majority. I think he could bring millions of new voters to the polls and help down ballot dems. On the other hand, I worry that he will be too cautious and will become captive to centrist advisors, and I do worry about the race barrier he is trying to break. Is the country ready?

I don't think the answer is simple or clear- cut.  I lean towards Obama, but I am keeping an open mind.  I hope that those of you who lean towards Edwards will keep an open mind too.  Above all I hope that each side will treat the other with greater respect.  Let's try to keep the trash talking and cheap shots to a minimum.


by upper left on Tue May 01, 2007 at 08:45:16 PM EST

It seems that we are at (3.00 / 1)

exactly the same place here. I could have written every word in your post. Fascinating. I would add that one good reason for supporting Obama is that he probably, at least as it looks right now, can beat Hillary and I am unsure if Edwards can do that. And I am not so worried about the race barrier. Obama is the one who could transcend that.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:21:45 AM EST
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Re: The Conciliator: The New Yorker profiles Obama (3.00 / 1)

"It seems that some people feel let down by Obama, because they thought that he would be something he has never been. Obama has not changed, he has been this way and talked this way all his life."

Personally I don't feel let down. I know that this is who he is and I'm fine with that. That's why I don't support him (for president). I don't think he should be more combative. I just think he doesn't have the same worldview that John Edwards does and doesn't have the same view of the extent to which government can be used to redistribute wealth in order to maximize societal welfare.

I also keep waiting for Obama's signature domestic proposals to come out (i.e. not just the stuff from his senate page). This will help me see how far he is willing to go. Based on the feelers he's sent out, I don't think he's going to go as far as Edwards.

It also continually disturbs me that he seems to see organized labor as a constituency and not as an integral part (if not THE integral part) of the progressive movement. I know he supports labor, but he doesn't bring up labor in his speeches unless it's in front of a labor audience.

Maybe he's not to keen on organized labor because by definition it tends to be based on an adversarial relationship? The very kind of relationships he tends to shun?


by adamterando on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:00:36 PM EST

Re: The Conciliator: The New Yorker profiles Obama (none / 0)

I hope he doesn't put out some signature issue that shows how far he is willing to go as I think viewing issues like that isn't useful to the progressive movement.  Such a path makes it hard for liberal issues to get passed on their merits.  Instead they get passed on how liberal they are.


by sterra on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:01:43 PM EST
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Re: The Conciliator: The New Yorker profiles Obama (2.66 / 3)

I don't think that Obama really can fit with the ethos of the netroots, and this article certainly underlines that for me. He isn't partisan enough, in the sense that politics is a struggle between two opposing movements. He sees compromise as a principle in itself, he believes traditions should play a role in new policy, and that detailed plans don't belong on the campaign trail. And the greatest break of all is he is fundamentally uncertain about what is ultimately correct. Such self doubt is certainly NOT a netroots virtue. We know that we are right in the same way that Rush knows he is right.

This is exactly what appeals to me about Obama.


by alarabi7 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:21:27 PM EST

it's tricky to be obama, i imagine (3.00 / 2)


i've said this before, obama is not ignorant of the scorn he gets from strongly partisan folks in his own party. i don't think he's any more ignorant of dkos posts than he is of smears about him on the web.

even when he opposed the war in iraq he opposed it on the terms of the neo-cons. he didn't want them to think that he was opposing it on ideology. he said, guys, you're being naive about this part of the world. if saddam really poses threat to the world to the extent that an invasion is being considered, then let's isolate him, bankrupt him and let him fall like other "petty dictators".

he was my state senator, he was on the talk circuit in chicago in 2002, 2003, and 2004 leading to and post iraq. some of the most intelligent, calm, thoughtful analysis of the war that ever happened. he looked presidential even in those cheap suits back then.

i only hope that america gets to know the barack oabma that hyde park knows.

we need bold leaders comfortable with their own judgment but humble to the opinion in face of uncertainty. we need a president that labor and business can work win to create real opportunity. we need a president who can pass "liberal" bills and get Tom Coburn and Dick Lugar to sign to.

We need some specie of Barack Obama.

my advise to barack obama is that he should slow down the fundraising and get in touch with the hyde park guy that i knew in the '90s. that guy doesn't need $100million to become president. that guy will sell in any corner of america at $30million, not $100million.


by pmb on Tue May 01, 2007 at 09:32:25 PM EST
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Re: it's tricky to be obama, i imagine (2.00 / 1)

One needs a lot of money to win and there is no way that he is just running to be VP.  On what evidence are you basing this claim?


by LPMandrake on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:32:54 PM EST
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still me thinks (3.00 / 2)


that he has enough money, that he has to watch out that no bad memes on substance stick with his candidacy. for instance you could tell that at the Las Vegas healthcare forumn he was very tired, two days before the first debate he was all over the place.

look, i know this guy; i've read hyde park newspaper accounts of his work in chicago before he became a phenomenon. he's stuffed with experience on issues affecting the very poor in our society; why isn't he selling among working class folks? because he's spending too much time fundraising. goodness, before you know he'll have an image of an elitist, something he is but nonetheless the kind who works on practical issues affecting folks. methinks if his campaign reads the blogs, they should begin to focuss less on the clinton money gymnastics.

i know that his campaign can 'sell' him better to ordinary americans(more townhall meetings) than through fundraisers.


by pmb on Wed May 02, 2007 at 12:14:13 AM EST
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Re: still me thinks (none / 0)

It is important to remember that we're still many months out from the real campaign season.  Doing constant townhalls and the like isn't going to matter 8 months from now.  Primary support is always very soft, so even if he convinces people now that he is the best candidate, they could easily change their minds before January.  The cash, however, will still be around.  Given that the Clintons are going to have $100 million plus, I think it's unrealistic to assume that Barack can get by with only $30 million.  Hell, even Edwards is going to bank at least $60 million.

I'm sure you will see Barack do more direct campaigning as we get closer.  Right now, though, the only game in town is the money game.  And that applies to each of the big three.


by LPMandrake on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:56:20 PM EST
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Probably true (none / 0)

But I still think that he could do better among the netroots once everyone stops believing that Obama is something that he has never been. We should not be suprised if at times he comes off sounding like a commentator rather than a political actor, and so on. I does not mean that he is a triangulator or a cold calculator, or sucking up to Big Money.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:30:08 AM EST
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Re: The Conciliator: The New Yorker profiles Obama (2.00 / 2)

Yet he keeps gaining in fundraising and the polls.... He's obviously doing something right.


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by yitbos96bb on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:18:43 PM EST

Re: The Conciliator: The New Yorker profiles Obama (3.00 / 3)

I think Obama is playing his cards perfectly.  I'm going to lay it all out for you here.  

He's built a LOT of momentum via the energy and enthusiasm he brings to the game.  Since February, he became the top fundraiser, over a candidate who has 16 years worth of donors stacked up ready to be hit, starting 2-3 weeks behind.  He's gone from being low teens to high twenty's in the national polls.  It's nothing short of amazing what he has accomplished so far.  Has Obama done a big rushed debate before?  I don't think one as big or rushed as the first MSNBC debate.  He does much better in a one on one setting where the tempo is slower, etc.  However, he'll be better prepared for the second big fast debate.  Nobody truly won or lost the debate in my mind.  (Except Richardson dropped the ball pretty bad).  

Now the second part of what's going on.  This is more a look towards the future.  Needless to say, his momentum is starting to slow. (I'm expecting to see him wage another strong quarter coming up.  He may wait till after second quarter if his fundraising and momentum maintain.) He can't run a campaign on rhetoric alone.  He's run a genius campaign so far.  They have my full confidence to build substance in as time goes on.  If they don't start pulling substance and laying it out, Obama's campaign will see a drop in momentum via polls, fundraising, etc.  

So the real question is when should they take that chance, of cutting down the momentum and break it down to substance?  As long as he's holding in the polls and outfundraising the queen of fundraising... He has him set up in a good spot right now.  Obviously he'll probably pull substance sooner than later, if he doesn't, people will turn away.  But timing is the key.  Don't expect him to stick to rhetoric the entire primary campaign.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:26:00 PM EST

I think you hit on something (3.00 / 2)

I like this diary a lot. Its honest. It gives a great sense of who Obama is and who he is not and by showing who Obama is, it shows a lot of the differences Edwards and Obama supporters are going to have. Honest differences about style and approach and, yes, substance.

I think part of the difficulty is when Obama supporters try to portray Obama as progressive in the same manner as Edwards. He's not. In the same way that Edwards isn't going to be as much of a bridge-builder as Obama. To say otherwise, doesn't seem very honest.

One of the difficulties with Obama's style though is that its hard to bring it across in some areas of the campaign like in debates, in sound bites, in interviews. He can come across as unclear or unsure. Personally I think part of a presidential campaign is about growing as a campaigner. Imo, Obama would have even more success if he could learn to borrow some of Edwards fire (like Hillary).


by okamichan13 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:52:55 PM EST

Re: I think you hit on something (2.66 / 3)

"I think part of the difficulty is when Obama supporters try to portray Obama as progressive in the same manner as Edwards. He's not. In the same way that Edwards isn't going to be as much of a bridge-builder as Obama. To say otherwise, doesn't seem very honest."

You have a point, up to a point.  Remember that Obama's voting record has actually been more progressive than Edwards'. I believe you are confusing style and substance. I do not believe that there is much evidence to indicate that Edwards' core beliefs are significantly more progressive than Obama's core beliefs.  If you see it please point it out.

Obama does have a different style; he tries to find areas of agreement.  He limits his number of direct partisan shots at Bush.  This may be less satisfying to the base but perhaps more effective in persuading centrists.


by upper left on Wed May 02, 2007 at 02:55:27 AM EST
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Re: I think you hit on something (3.00 / 1)

Not more or less progressive, but different.  Edwards seems to be more of a social democrat, Obama seems to be more of a liberal.


"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:17:52 AM EST
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Nice post (3.00 / 1)

This is exatcly the kind of discussion that we could have. I tend to agree that Obama should "borrow some of Edwards fire", and I am sure that he knows it would help him in the primaries. I am not sure, however, that he would be comfortable doing it. Perhaps it would just come off as strange?


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:35:28 AM EST
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Fantastic piece (3.00 / 2)

Read this a couple days ago when it came out, simply a fantastic piece. I encourage everyone to read the whole thing.

I'd also recommend an article Ryan Lizza did on Obama for The New Republic a month or two ago called "The Agitator," which focuses on his experience as a community organizer. Put that piece with this one and you've got a very revealing portrait of a complex and often contradictory man.  


by Korha on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:58:42 AM EST

Disagree (none / 0)

I don't think he is like Hillary at all. Hillary has learned how to calculate and triangulate from her days as First Lady, Obama has had a knack for finding common ground since he was a child. And could you really say that Hillary comes across as comfortable in her own skin?


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:24:31 AM EST

Rereading the piece (3.00 / 1)

it strikes me how interesting it would be to have such a complex person in charge of the country. I would be thrilled following the development of Barack Obama as a president. Have we ever had a more intellectual candidate?


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:38:23 AM EST

On Republicans and bridge building (none / 0)

The only bridges we Democrats will build over the next decade will be bridges to nowhere.  Why?  Because look who we have to work with.   Is McConnell, Inhofe, Lott, Cornyn, etc., are they interested in building bridges?  The answer is no.

That is why I scoff at this idea of bi-partisanship.  It takes two sides and the other side isn't ready to play.


by dpANDREWS on Wed May 02, 2007 at 07:20:49 AM EST

New Yorker hit job on Obama. (none / 0)

How is Obama a conciliator when he is the only major candidate who vocalized his opposition to the Iraqi war when democrats everywhere were diving onto the Iraqi war bandwagon.

The New Yorker's response is that his reasons were the same as many Republicans who opposed the war. What Republicans were these? I can't think of one.

How did Obama get stuck with the "Compromiser/ Conciliator" tag when it was Hillary who was too busy trying to play to the Republicans in the run up to the war.

I will admit that Obama is much more of a regular guy than a politician but I think we are better off with a first class "regular guy" running the country than a second rate politician.


by seattledrew on Wed May 09, 2007 at 09:15:09 PM EST


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