We have the power to stop Hillary

Expect another load of depressing polls showing Hillary leading the Dem primary with 10 or 15 points today. Shed some tears, yell at the computer screen and then remind yourself that there is 8 months left to stop the inevitability express. We can stop Hillary if we want to and if we start focusing our efforts.

This is a Democratic primary after all, and if there is any area were the netroots have shown their power it is in Democratic primaries. Hillary polls at 4% among the thousands of activists that make up the netroots. That is a dismal number and I believe that even Joe Lieberman had more support than 4% in 2006.

What we need to do is:

1. Start talking to our fellow Democrats, especially low info voters. Knock on doors, pound the pavements, set up meetings in schools and workplaces. Educate people about Hillary's record, and inform them about all the polls showing that she cannot win in 2008. Even if she somehow squeezes out a victory the Republican Party will be energized again, the independents will leave the Democratic side and everything that happened under George W Bush will be forgotten or forgiven. 1984, 1988, 2000 and 2004 taught us that a likeable and charismatic candidate always beats the unlikeable policy wonk. 2008 could be a landslide for Democrats, if we avoid the mistake of nominating Hillary Clinton.

2. Stop the attacks on Obama and Edwards. Legitimate concerns can be expressed but should be kept civil and fair. Avoid criticism when there are uncertainties about what the candidate really thinks about a issue (case in point: Obama and social security, where we learnt yesterday that he is indeed against privatization). Just wait and ask instead of assuming the worst. There has been all too many hit diaries and character assasinations lately. The steady stream of anti Obama hate pieces have helped Hillary immensily as can be seen in the latest polls. People bringing up the ridiculous haircut issue have kept Edwards from promoting his agenda.

3. Perhaps Obama and Edwards supporters could make a pact: If the polls in early 2008 show that Obama has the best chance to beat Hillary, then Edwards supporters should consider voting for Obama instead. And vice versa. I realise that this is a controversial issue, and I can only speak for myself when I say that I am 100% certain that I will back Edwards over Obama in my primaries (CA) if Edwards has the best chances of stopping Hillary. This is not because I hate Hillary, but because I am desperate to see a Democratic president after Bush. I don't see any chance for Hillary to win the general election, and even if she does she will be wholly impotent against a fired up Republican Party and a depressed Democratic base.

Full disclosure: I am an Obama supporter, since I generally agree with him on the issues and I think that he would be our best candidate in the general election. Obama is a transformational candidate not because he is an ideologue (which he clearly is not) but because he has the personality and background to 1. solidify a long lasting Democratic majority, 2. bring the political center towards progressive values, 3. stop the boomer strangle hold on politics and 4. radically improve our relations with the rest of the world.


Poll
Would you consider switching your support to stop Hillary?
Yes
No
I am a Hillary supporter

Votes: 17
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Re: We have the power to stop Hillary (none / 0)

Well, my apologies. I'm a die-hard Democrat and I don't want to stop Hillary. You will no doubt get a lot of support from the 'Stop Hillary Express' touted daily on the Shaun Hannity conservative talk-radio show. You will be in good company.


by meliou2 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 09:12:25 AM EST

Re: We have the power to stop Hillary (none / 0)

An he is going to get support from people like me who despise Hannity.


by Pravin on Mon May 14, 2007 at 09:34:26 AM EST
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"guilt by association" argument (none / 0)

If you cannot argue honestly then don't argue at all.

Hannity hates Clinton, I don't hate Clinton but I'm concerned about her effects on the Democratic Party.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:16:37 AM EST
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Re: We have the power to stop Hillary (none / 0)

Though Edwards is down my list, I would rather support him than Hillary.  It is Hillary that worries me as a president.  I have alot of issues with it, including the question:  Is it a cover for a 3rd or 4th term for Bill.  Regardless of if you liked him or not, it is a dangerous game for our democracy with the assult it has gone under with Bush.
I wish we could organize to correct the media in it's promoting of Hillary.  Someone on Washington Journal today was saying exactly the same things I've been saying about the media choosing our candidate.

by vwcat on Mon May 14, 2007 at 09:32:10 AM EST

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Going "all negative" on a candidate usually begs the question:  If YOUR candidate can't make it on his own (for whatever reason,) without his fans going nuclear on the frontrunner, maybe he is not presidential material?  

There is usually a counter reaction that makes people look at those who "bash for bashing's sakes" with disdain.  They support the candidate who is being bashed even more.   Democrats are not quick to buy into Roveian smear campaigns when it comes to one of their own.  

Of course, the image of Populism2008, Pravin and vwcat canvassing neighborhoods with Clinton-bash flyers, preaching the anti-Hillary gospel to large crowds, is too funny to imagine.   Please take a digital camera along to those "defeat Hillary" outings, tent revivals and bake sales, and post them here.  This should be fun.   :-)


by georgep on Mon May 14, 2007 at 09:56:15 AM EST

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As if the Hillary insiders havent gone negative on the progressive element of the Democratic party for the last 8 years. The DLC campaign to reinforce their power on the party has been going on that long, at the very least.

You do remember how the DLC types ganged up on Dean with success in 2004. We are returning the favor. Unless these people realize actions have consequences, they will not stop bullying the rest of the party.


by Pravin on Mon May 14, 2007 at 10:12:26 AM EST
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Re: We have the power to stop Hillary (none / 0)

Well, there's a difference between "going nuclear" and informing people. I honestly do not think Dem voters at this point know how bad Hillary polls among non-Democrats.


The history of the left is a history of purists betraying the progressive movement so that they can feel good about their righteous selves.
by Populism2008 on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:20:07 AM EST
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"Start talking to our fellow Democrats, especially low info voters. Knock on doors, pound the pavements, set up meetings in schools and workplaces. Educate people about Hillary's record, and inform them about all the polls showing that she cannot win in 2008."

This is the crazy part I was referring to.  Are you REALLY going to "pound the pavement" and "set up meetings in schools and workplaces" to inform the poor unwashed masses (who are too stupid for their own good) about Clinton?   Are you serious?  I should not consider this an absolutely loony endeavor?   Why can't you "pound the pavement" and "set up meetings in schools and businesses" to advertise YOUR chosen candidate?  It is obvious that this desperate plea and beg has become necessary because YOU DON'T THINK YOUR CANDIDATE HAS ENOUGH APPEAL.   Well, the average Democratic voter is not as stupid as you think, and they can smell desperation a mile away.  They will ask you "Why aren't you advertising YOUR candidate instead of this negative junk about a candidate you don't care for?"  This is worse than push polling, this is worse than anything the extreme right wing and Rove could do.   IMO you will be laughed out of these meetings, considered a loon,  but good luck anyways.  


by georgep on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:30:42 PM EST
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Re: We have the power to stop Hillary (none / 0)

New Rassmussen:  Obama within 2 points of Hillary


by vwcat on Mon May 14, 2007 at 10:49:30 AM EST

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"You do remember how the DLC types ganged up on Dean with success in 2004. We are returning the favor. Unless these people realize actions have consequences, they will not stop bullying the rest of the party."

Sure I remember.  Worst smear campaign on a Democrat ever.  Worst offender/creator of the Dean smear campaign was one Mr. Gibbs.  With the type of comments you make here I wonder why his employ to a very important position inside the Obama campaign did not create a firestorm.   So, yes, I remember.  Gibbs deserves to be tarred and feathered for his smears, not employed by the Obama campaign.  


by georgep on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:06:29 AM EST

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The ganging up on the front runner is a reality of campaigns. These people work 12-14 hr days and spend a lot of time raising money. They are not going to roll over and play dead in a campaign. If Hillary has a big lead they will gang up on her as it gets closer to the primaries. They have nothing to lose if they are way behind. If it is close then there will not be a ganging up on a candidate.

I am sure that Wolfson and Penn know how to smear with the best of them.


by BDM on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:19:10 AM EST
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Gibbs is the symptom. DLC is the disease. Get rid of GIbbs and others will step in to do the DLC bidding.


by Pravin on Mon May 14, 2007 at 11:32:39 AM EST
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No Democrat has ever smeared like Gibbs.  Ever.  And to think he is an integral part of the Obama campaign.  Nice going there, employing the worst scum artist ever unleashed on Democrats.  He deserves banned from the party, not employed by the "change" candidate.   That is not "change," just more of the same, as realists have surmised a long time ago.  


by georgep on Mon May 14, 2007 at 03:34:54 PM EST
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The netroots used to be a nice diversion from hate radio and right wing media. Sad that is has become the same thing.


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by robliberal on Mon May 14, 2007 at 12:18:46 PM EST


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